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Skills Changes With Update 9 Thieves Guild Patch

  68 Comments   February 4, 2016

When a major update hits the ESO servers there are lots of changes to Skills, including Class Skills and Weapon Skills, included in the patch. This is all part of ZOS’s plan to constantly balance existing content, PVP and the new content arriving with the patch.

The Thieves Guild DLC patch is no different and included are several changes to Class Skills and other Skill Lines. The changes to Skill Lines as part of the Thieves Guild patch are not tied to the DLC, so these are changes to the base game.

The table below is all of the Skills which are changing with Update 9.

 

Skills Changes Update 9 Thieves Guild



 

Champion System Changes

The Apprentice

  • Elemental Expert: This ability now increases Flame, Frost, Shock, and Magic Damage dealt by you, instead of Flame, Frost, and Shock Damage only.
  • Spell Erosion: Updated this ability tooltip to indicate it has always given a flat value of Spell Penetration that scales with your Level. We also increased the value of Spell Penetration by 167% to counterbalance the Spell Resistance granted by Spell Shield.

The Atronach

  • Blade Expert: This ability now increases the Light and Heavy Attack damage of all melee weapons (swords, axes, maces, and daggers), instead of swords and daggers only. We also renamed this ability to Melee Weapon Expert.
  • Heavy Weapon Expert: This ability now increases your damage against damage shields, instead of increasing your damage with maces and axes. We also renamed this ability to Shattering Blows.

The Lady

  • Critical Leech: Updated this ability tooltip to indicate it only procs on direct damage abilities, and not damage over time abilities.
  • Elemental Defender: This ability now reduces Flame, Frost, Shock, and Magic Damage dealt to you, instead of Flame, Frost, and Shock Damage only.
  • Hardy: This ability now reduces Poison, Disease, and Physical Damage dealt to you, instead of Poison, Disease, and Magical Damage.
  • Light Armor Focus: This ability now grants a flat amount of Physical Resistance per point spent that scales with your Level, instead of granting a percentage increase to Physical Resistance.

The Lord

  • Heavy Armor Focus: This ability now grants a flat amount of Physical Resistance per point spent that scales with your Level, instead of granting a percentage increase to Physical Resistance.
  • Nourishing: This ability now reduces Light and Heavy Attack damage dealt to you, instead of increasing the effectiveness of healing potions. We also renamed this ability to Expert Defender.

The Lover

  • Battle Roar: Fixed an issue where placing points into this passive ability would cause the Synergizer Champion star to stop working.

The Ritual

  • Mighty: This ability will now increase Physical, Poison, and Disease Damage dealt, rather than Physical Damage only.
  • Piercing: Updated this ability tooltip to indicate it has always given a flat value of Physical Penetration that scales with your Level. We also increased the value of Physical Penetration by 167% to counterbalance the Physical Resistance granted by Light, Medium, or Heavy Armor Focus.
  • Thaumaturge: This ability now increases the damage done by damage over time effects, instead of increasing Poison, Disease, and Magic Damage.

The Steed

  • Medium Armor Focus: This ability now grants a flat amount of Physical Resistance per point spent that scales with your Level, instead of granting a percentage increase to Physical Resistance.
  • Spell Shield: This ability now grants a flat amount of Spell Resistance per point spent that scales with your Level, instead of granting a percentage increase to Spell Resistance.

68 Comments

  • Vince Reign
    Feb 4, 2016

    I have one character. A Magicka Templar. The Templar build is based on Magic Damage. Now this class is broken even more than before. With even less damage than before. Less heals, less protection. I don’t see a reason to continue my ESO Plus membership after this update. It’s bad enough competing with the other classes that abuse glitches that remain to be fixed. But thanks for fixing Toppling Charge.

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    • Chives Mandes
      Feb 5, 2016

      Wow it’s almost like you didn’t read the patch notes at all. Allow me to quote some of the patch notes, I also play a Magicka Templar and disagree with you.

      -Piecing Javelin – Increased Range by 8 meters.
      -Enduring Rays Passive – Longer duration by 15/30% from 10/20%.
      -Nova damage increase by 16%.
      -Solar Flare and Dark Flare damage increase by 12%.
      -Vampire’s Bane increased duration to 9 seconds from 7 seconds.
      -Unstable Core damage increase by 50% and unlimited amount of targets.

      While yes we have less benefit from Rune Focus or whatever you have it morphed as, we have a lot more healing from our passive, Focused Healing and also Cleansing Ritual.

      TLDR; Actually read the patch notes you moron.

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      • Hugo747
        Feb 5, 2016

        After this update Mag/Stam Templars will be weakest class… Well play moron.

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    • Davey
      Feb 6, 2016

      Boosh… I just cast Silenced Breath – reduces whining of commenter by 70% for ten seconds and adds major ear plug buff to caster for duration.

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      • Mel
        Feb 6, 2016

        Love it. 🙂

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    • Charlie
      Feb 22, 2016

      I am happy because I dislike templars they are ridiculous with all their healing

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    • Yungcaddy
      Feb 27, 2016

      Lol you have the most op class in the game are you serious?

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    • Thornzz
      Mar 12, 2016

      For Templars the breath of life nerf is the big one and they are just balancing the classes Templars still the best healers but now the other class can compete too. As a Templar tank I am excited about the patch changes and magica dps Templars should be even more excited about the patch update

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      • khuder
        Mar 22, 2016

        templars are not the best healers in the game, nightblade healers are actually the best of all healing classes and set ups.

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    • Dan brute
      Mar 30, 2016

      You idiot, dark flair and radiant destruction together are the most op skills in this game

      Reply
  • Meme
    Feb 6, 2016

    Well this game sucks looks like no one is going to be playing any more.

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    • Eli
      Feb 10, 2016

      You’re a moron.

      Reply
  • Kip
    Feb 10, 2016

    I am Vet 9 and I am disappointed over changes, specifically to breath of life and puncturing strikes, not to mention the lady champion light armor focus. Templar Healer for 3 months and over $200 not as fun anymore. Shame to cut the balls off. What is best build now? Should I start over and build DK?

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    • Stroop
      Mar 12, 2016

      People like you (sheep) should make one of each and switch based on the flavor of the day. If you actually looked at the changes yourself instead of listening to a bunch of misguided tools crying, you might see that the class actually got buffed. Look at your healing numbers..

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  • itguru
    Feb 12, 2016

    I just got done trying to run my pledges. What a joke. I can’t even heal any more. So, I went to a normal V16 scaled dungeon with 17 level players (I’m a V1) and I struggled just to keep them a live. Before this patch, I would go through a regular V16 scaled dungeon without causing a sweat. Now, I can’t even get through a scaled vet dungeon. Both dungeons that I tried to run was a failure and people left. First time that has every happened to me in this game.

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    • Fleeep
      Feb 12, 2016

      Is this on the PTS? Because these changes haven’t been made yet on the normal game have they?

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      • ESO Academy
        Feb 13, 2016

        Yeah these changes are only on the PTS at the moment, and come to live in March.

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    • CromCCCXVI
      Mar 18, 2016

      I know some players that would put their guy in a pink tutu if it meant a .001% edge in some category… the Meta, the Meta, the Meta blah, blah, blah… not my kind of gamer.

      Reply
  • a eso player
    Feb 14, 2016

    Yep so you have changed that but… You’ve done nothing to stop the constant spamming of Wrecking Blow that’s all I ever see on my battle report. I can’t be the only one who thinks this.

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    • Eso player
      Feb 15, 2016

      I agree Wrecking Blow gets spammed waaaaay to much 2h fags ftw Momentum+Wrecking Blow = Ultimate spam move it needs to be nerfed or even add cast time.

      Reply
      • Another eso player
        Feb 29, 2016

        Wrecking blow has a cast time. And a huge animation you can see a mile away. Try using block or dodge roll or simply move out of range. I just run my character through the wrecking blow spammer. Stay right on him.

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        • Duke
          Mar 6, 2016

          The added empower is bugged to increase cast time 20% also, play a magic build and see how you do against it fella.

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          • Error
            Mar 6, 2016

            *reduce

        • Also another eso pla
          Mar 10, 2016

          Blocking or dodge rolling it consumes stamina, and when your being rushed by 13 players all spamming wrecking blow stamina runs out in about 0.00036746 seconds and you get wrecked by the spammers.

          Its inevitable. One on one, not as mich an issue, but alot of these players use immovable first then cast wrecking blow so as soon as land an attack, you get crushed by wrecking blow

          I dont mind wrecking blow, what should be done though is consecutive attacks cost additional resources, kind of like what was done with dodge rolling? Oh thats the skill you use to avoid being hit by wrecking blow… Hmmm…

          Anyone can see it needs a change, im not saying nerf it, im saying fix the broken aspect of its minimal cost to continuosly abuse the ability until your target runs out of resources to maintain the fight.

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          • Duke
            Mar 20, 2016

            Stam dks and Stam sorcs abuse the snare spam also leaving it impossible to dodge roll and be immune to snare which is, for the most part, a bad situation for a magicka based character. Breaking free for the allotted immunity time for cc’s, as to a dodge roll costing x% more consecutively; the snare after a dodge roll should grant resistant to snare for x time as it would last for the consecutive dodge roll cost.

          • D11B
            Mar 23, 2016

            If you get rushed by 13 it shouldn’t matter what moves they use, unless your the emperor, you pretty well fucked at that point.

    • Charlie
      Feb 22, 2016

      You get hit by wrecking blow what are you standing still lol gg casual scrub

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      • fagboysspamwreckblow
        Apr 7, 2016

        13 is an exaggeration, however it isnt uncommon to have 2 or 3 idiots charge you with crit rush then spam wrecking blow until your out of stam and get killed, in fact maybe ill just tell all my guildies were going to go into pvp and as a zerg just spam the crap out of wrecking blow against you whom defend it and see whats up…

        See how you fair against a mob of 2handed wreckers…

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    • Jerome
      Feb 23, 2016

      That attack takes a while to charge up. Tried moving?

      Reply
  • arafir
    Feb 15, 2016

    its interesting that another rather ridiculous skill aspect of terror (a heavily abused skill) has its affects widened, that’s fine however since it seems to be used as oh s__t button for NBs in pvp I would suggest that its cost be increased and tied in to the NBS health to prevent them from using in this manner,

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  • Tim
    Feb 15, 2016

    All those changes are great for magicka Templar and all, but what the hell is stamina morphed Templar skills doing with the patch? You know how insanely hard it is as a Stamplar to get through Vet Maelstrom? I can’t do it with mine and I’m 465 champion points

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    • Kane
      Mar 19, 2016

      Stamplar is easier than magic Templar in the arena in my opinion and major mending buff helps stamplars alot

      Reply
  • x-Drop-Zone-x
    Feb 18, 2016

    why the hell is purge going to cost more magicka?

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  • blessed mage
    Feb 19, 2016

    Im a vet 10 Magika templar and im very anoyed that breath of life is getting a huge slap to the face because i do alot of dungeons and pledges and it going to be quite difficult now to get that exta person left out of that extra heal. I understand people get anoyed with breath of life in pvp but zenimax need to think of the people who dont do pvp and its going to ruin it for the pve players, templars are a struggling class as it is so please re think this before it goes live.

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    • Pve REALY
      Feb 20, 2016

      Dude theres no chalenge doing pledges sometime im tank inf. With 3dps to rush it

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    • Smith9290
      Feb 23, 2016

      Blessed mage BOL hits for over 12k not as a crit who are u running with that needs more heals then that

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    • Actual healer
      Feb 23, 2016

      If a fix to what was supposed to be a oh shot button affects your entire healing gameplay that much, sorry to say, but the issue lies with you and your inability to heal effectively.

      Spamming one button to heal all content bar trials (where you currently just spam spring instead anyway) takes no skill at all

      Reply
  • Concerned nightblade
    Feb 20, 2016

    Now all we’re going to see while pvping is dragon knights and sorcerers, dark cloak nerf is garbage beings that’s a key ability we need to stay alive because of these idiotic nerds you will lose a chunk of your community which means bye bye eso plus #taking eso to gamestop and trading it in.

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    • Magicka DK FTW
      Feb 26, 2016

      lol, no you’re not. They’ll only give you like 4 bucks for it anyways
      you’ll still be playing this after the patch.

      Reply
  • Futch1990
    Feb 21, 2016

    As a stam dk I think this update is amazing.

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  • Gino
    Feb 22, 2016

    I can live with the class update and sorc being buffed… again, but I can’t stand meteor will be non relfectable. I reflective stance for that, I believe that meteor will be abuse AF now in sense it will be a ability that every class will enjoy. Dk or people with reflective stance will now “enjoy” that abuse of meteor… oh boy! -_ –

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    • Jp
      Mar 10, 2016

      Really bud…. Reflecting an ultimate is ridiculous. Dks need to Eat it like the other classes… Templars cant reflect meteors, nor can a mage or nb….

      ( typical christmas game noobtuber stylistic comment approaching )

      Actually instead of killing that skill, hell why we just get zos to make reflective scales reflect meatbages, and oh yeah how about when another dk dragonleaps on you YEAH OMG SCALES SHOULD ALSO REFLECT TAKE FLIGHT
      Oh oh oh and maybe we can get it so the leaps now have a 200 meter usagedistance and increase damage by up to 1000% based off of distance flown And and and And then maybe we can get zos to make green dragon blood regen rates tripple or even double then tripple that so we have what 7 times more regen then if i drink a regen potion i should get a passive for another 33 times more regen so i just. …..

      ( now back to reality )

      This is a good change… And …. Reflective scales is abused and over used… Dks make sorcs essentially no challenge…. Or archers, pop scales up and oh ok lets crit rush in there toclose the gap, then spam wrecking blow until the person runs out of stamina and gets knocked to the ground and killed by another 10 spams of wrecking blow….

      Your a joke, Reflective scales currently can reflect far too much as it is….

      Meteors, arrows, javelins? Come on man you need to wake up, stop being mr butthurt basement dweller and crying about being brought down to equals with everyone else….

      Why should a dragon knight be able to be invincible from all ranged attacks essentially…

      You probably also use a magicka nightblade who waits in the shadows for hours on end and who tries to gank someone, yet upon seeing it didnt go as planned and is now failing suddenly cloaks out into infinity after casting terror … arent you….

      Now dont take that personally brother its not a personal attack, its a broad based to the point reality of what dragonknight players do in pvp…

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  • Smith9290
    Feb 23, 2016

    I have 6 max level characters there’s a lot of pros and cons I can’t wait to see what we can do with the changes I personally love templars I have 3 and the new gear coming is gonna be nice now we finally have something to grind for I ran out of things to get haven’t played since December will be getting back on soon

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  • Davie1555
    Feb 23, 2016

    I’ve got multiple v16 templars. 2 magicka 1 stamina. I’m not impressed with the changes at all. You could of kept breath of life 3 and just limited it to group members like you did rapid maneuver and vigor. That would of been a fair compromise that we would of supported. I see several improvements to passives i like, and i love the changes made to champion trees. On a phone atm so short.

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  • Prethorius
    Feb 23, 2016

    So from sorcerer changes they get a 35 % max hp heal through clanfear ? woot

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  • Hircine
    Feb 24, 2016

    There is one thing that really bugs me. The Chains pull you to the target? This might be usefull if you play a DD. But for a Tank trying to get all enemys in the DD´s AOE´s this is the worst thing that could have happened.

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    • Jp
      Mar 10, 2016

      Not all the morphs do that, only one pulls you 100%.

      Simply choose to use the other morph, or dont morph at all, because those versions will now guarantee a 100% chance to pull enemy to you or a refund of the ability cost if the target is immovable.

      Personally if your tanking and pulling enemies in you would probably benefit more from the extended range in my oppinion especially in some of the big dungeons and trials. Range of chains is nice with extended

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  • Socrates
    Feb 29, 2016

    Why is this update hating on Templars so much? Instead of making good abilities that work weaker why can’t you just improve the weaker less used abilities of all classes and leave the ones that already work alone? Now there’s only going to be sorcerers in pvp and maelstrom arena almost nothing else, hell stamina dps Templars are going to become extinct! So much less room for creativity very disappointed. Looks like I’ll start playing call of duty again.

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  • Matt
    Mar 1, 2016

    I really wish they wouldn’t have nerft magica det it takes months to aciure I just hope it will still be worth using

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  • Irritationprime
    Mar 2, 2016

    I got a DK healer thats gonna kick but xD Nice one!

    Nightblade vampire going to be les used, lol dark cloak: removed

    Interesting changes, and to the complainers: if its not working change it, it may take a couple days to get a new character, is it that bad theres plenty tips and tools to be found, try: Deltia and cypher then create ur build with those idees, i started over 6 times and still theres plenty to Discover and change, this Game rocks

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  • Andrew
    Mar 3, 2016

    Get over it. The game is constantly changing because otherwise it would be to boring. Embrace the changes and enjoy finding new combos and ways of healing and hiding that’s what the game is all about Quit whining pick up the control respec and have some fun with a different skill set. Welcome to elder scrolls the game were u actually require some skill to play this game is 85% skill of the player 15% class. I’ve seen all classes wreck all opposing classes many times.

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  • All classes player
    Mar 4, 2016

    I honestly love what I’m seeing here. This may set a few people back with their builds and play style but you must think that they did whack a few moves that needed it. I do see that DKs are gonna be a little more OP but is that really a bad thing? They’re meant to take a lot of damage just like NBs and Sorcs are supposed to push deeps, and Templars are supposed to heal. Stop whining and play the game after all it is only a game.

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    • Socrates
      Mar 5, 2016

      Don’t mind the buffs, just the nerfs. Why single out well liked, effective abilities that are used often and make them do less? If it’s not broke it doesn’t need to be fixed especially when your giving so many buffs to other classes like dks and sorcs. No knock back on biting jabs? The enemy has to be right in front of you in order to use it so what good will a snare do other than giving a slight chance to runaway from the enemy? (With the unlikely chance they don’t have a gap closer) Just because Templars are good at healing doesn’t mean they should be meant to just heal. All the other classes can mix up roles so so I stand by what I said, to limit Templars to just healing is boring and these changes provide less options for CREATIVITY which is what fantasy games are based upon. I don’t always want to rip off builds from deltia’s or other bloggers sometimes I want the freedom to make my own build without having the skills I worked for taken away.

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  • Duke
    Mar 6, 2016

    It makes me wonder if the developers even play/spectate their own game in cyrodiil on console, or just listen to the hot shots on social media with a different game play atmosphere on a PC…

    Want a challenging dungeon? Play with pvp rules.

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  • Traveler
    Mar 6, 2016

    What have I noticed through all the changes – the people who complain the most are the ones who have used an already made template to create their character. So they get all bent out of shape, because they wil have to wait a while before the new builds come uot that they can copy. The new builds, you know, from people who like the game and who like to look for advantages and create good builds.
    If you only have one character and can only play one style that just got nerfed, I’m pretty sure you copied that style from soneone else anyway.

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  • Max Kelly
    Mar 8, 2016

    They need more then 4 classes, that is evident. Or they need to add more sub classes within the classes they all ready have. Every class can be over powered if you know how to play the game and if you yourself are good. Most people who complain are complaining because of a lack of skill when facing certain classes, or a lazy sort of behavior by them. People dont like change, and they especially hate complicated things.

    I have been hearing so many people complain about sorcs since the game came out and its really funny actually. I can tell you all first hand pvp wise, the moment our shields are down is when you should stun us. But try force us to break free first while our shields are up. A bad sorc will do this, a good sorc saves his break free for when his shields are down. The moment you catch us with our shields down and with a stun on us we die. Very fast. Before you complain about other classes though how about you research your own class and see what it can do? See what gear you could get and look up different things you could do.

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    • AcrylicOnrush
      Mar 10, 2016

      Max you’re absolutely right. I like to play all of the classes and try to figure out the best “way to not die” basically. When they redo the skills it sucks at first but then you adapt. The same people that were beating you before, will still probably beat you later…even if the skills are changed.

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  • AcrylicOnrush
    Mar 10, 2016

    Oh man, I really don’t like what they did to the sorcerer. I always ran with clannfear and matriarch out. They were slotted for both weapons so they never went away. Even though I really don’t like the new version of the skills, I can live with it and adapt. What sucks is sometimes, actually a lot of the time, my clannfear and matriarch will be “trapped” somewhere behind me, and there is no way to dismiss and recall them. I just have to wait, sometimes a while, and hope they “catch-up.” Very frustrating.

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  • Ivan
    Mar 11, 2016

    Are there any changes coming to Vampire skill and morphs ? I heard something about clouding swarm … Thanks

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  • AJinFLa
    Mar 16, 2016

    Half the Players in PvP would put their character in a pink tutu, if they thought it gave them a .0001 advantage in some category.
    Point is, play the class you want, play the race you want. Victory in battle isn’t two guy standing across from each other doing a math equation, they are blocking, dodging, hitting crits, all kinds of factors. Most of the time these “differences” amount to killing someone in 5 or 6 hits, or killing someone a little more dead in 5 or 6 hits…….

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  • Socrates
    Mar 17, 2016

    I just don’t want abilities to be nerfed. Is that really too much to ask? Either improve it or just leave it alone.

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    • Lucas
      Mar 24, 2016

      I think the same, the old posture of Zenimax is much better.
      If they continue rear the crybaby in foruns ask for nerfs, they are ruin the game

      Reply
  • DGolden94
    Mar 18, 2016

    I think these changes are interesting and can’t wait to try them, and to the ppl saying mag templar is getting nerfed bc bol heals 2 ppl instead of 3, pls shut up

    Reply
  • Duke
    Mar 19, 2016

    Can’t dodge roll radiant destruction or whatever morphs, dodge roll out of its range. So,”HA, play your own game idiot who deals with pvp shenanigans!”

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  • lexifer452
    Mar 22, 2016

    all in all I am pretty pleased with most of the changes. love that they are putting magic damage into the elemental defender/elemental expert in the champion system. would never take thaumaturge before because most of my points go into eleexpert and I didn’t use any poison dmg so I never saw the point. love that I can do both now. also all the little improvements to the dk class abilities. magelight too. fyi I play a vr16 dunmer vampire dragonknight in case anyone was wondering. all in all good job zenimax, especially with regards to the champion system tweaks and restructuring.

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  • GizzleAlmighty
    Mar 24, 2016

    For people to sit here and cry. BRAVOOOO ESO about time you get them sorry losers to stop playing your game. Lol jk But i like the whole Magic Damage concepte you guys put in. I also like what you guy did with dragonknights But imma be a lowkey mofo and say dragonknights are still not the best ?

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  • Why does it matter
    Mar 25, 2016

    I’m just readin the comments and wondering why is everyone so butt hurt strongest survive get better not bitter

    Reply
    • Jp
      Apr 7, 2016

      Its because they dont want to change what “was” working to something maybe a bit more varying or will require a little more than mash the same button over and over again.

      Reply

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